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− | '''ACTION ITEMS''' | + | '''ACTION ITEMS FOR ERR''' |
− | [https://wiki.jlab.org/cuawiki/index.php/NPS_ERR_Prep_2/1/19 List of Action Items for ERR] | + | * [https://wiki.jlab.org/cuawiki/index.php/NPS_ERR_Prep_2/1/19 Subsystem List of Action Items for ERR] |
+ | |||
+ | * Admin: | ||
+ | ::* Make a draft agenda including action items | ||
+ | ::* Draft COO | ||
+ | ::* Draft prelim rad form | ||
+ | ::* OSP magnet and detector | ||
+ | ::* Check in with Chris Cuevas on NPS ERR | ||
+ | ::* Schedule a date for ERR | ||
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− | CRYSTALS (Vladimir) | + | '''''CRYSTALS (Vladimir)''''' |
* Discussion on crystal quality and tests | * Discussion on crystal quality and tests | ||
::* Measured 2%/sqrtE with 3x3 prototype as expected given limitations of instrument - essentially have 8 edge crystals | ::* Measured 2%/sqrtE with 3x3 prototype as expected given limitations of instrument - essentially have 8 edge crystals | ||
− | ::* For NPS 12x12 prototype tests used temperature sensors | + | ::* For NPS 12x12 prototype tests used temperature sensors (5 probes) attached to corners, front and back of detector |
+ | |||
+ | * '''Action Item:''' Make a spectrum of photon energy for crystals next to the one hit - should address question about smallest signal digitization - estimate is 2-3% of energy of hit crystal | ||
− | * Action Item: | + | * '''Action Item:''' send 10 crystals to IPN for irradiation test |
* Saturation fADC - nominal voltage for linear range is 1100 V for HV divider, but this saturates. In Hall D tests ran with 650 V | * Saturation fADC - nominal voltage for linear range is 1100 V for HV divider, but this saturates. In Hall D tests ran with 650 V | ||
::* Rates comparable to NPS (250 kHz/channel) | ::* Rates comparable to NPS (250 kHz/channel) | ||
::* threshold >2 GeV overall (10-15mV/channel) | ::* threshold >2 GeV overall (10-15mV/channel) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about overall plan for crystals | ||
+ | ::* important factor is if SICCAS can sign for 400 crystals with NPS quality - also determines is take back 145 SICCAS crystals from Hall D | ||
+ | ::* plan to purchase more Crytur crystals - in principle could have ~600 CRYTUR by end of 2020 | ||
+ | ::* different crystal array configurations depending on how many CRYTUR crystals - in general, place SICCAS at edges where only have to catch the shower, and CRYTYUR in regions of higher radiation and where physics is (in center) - as example see Vardan/Hamlet's drawing | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''MECHANICAL DESIGN (Paulo, Steve L.)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about structure tasks and completion status | ||
+ | ::* Sweeping magnet support positions: now need to move magnet laterally, originally not - engineering design 30-40% complete | ||
+ | ::* Beam line concept design stage | ||
+ | ::* Cable routing - need detector design details (see talk by Emmanuel and 11/13/18 meeting and 1/31/19 meeting notes) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Movement of and mounting of detector | ||
+ | ::* to move detector from right to left: crane pick up on rail piece with detector bolted to the rail | ||
+ | ::* overall responsibility of JLab | ||
+ | ::* information from IPNO on center of gravity and weight would be helpful | ||
+ | ::* '''Action item:''' reinforcements to make detector as stable as possible during movement would be helpful | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Action item:''' check on angle 22.5 degree requirement that now determines if NPS left of right of SHMS | ||
+ | ::* what is the limitation? | ||
+ | ::* previously had 30 degrees - with the smaller angle might need configuration changes within one experiment | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about what is needed from NPS collaboration? | ||
+ | ::* nothing yet except information about cables, i.e. cable lengths | ||
+ | |||
+ | * First experiments will have NPS on the right side of SHMS (smaller angles, closer to the beamline) | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''POWER AND CABLING (Joe)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about where power supply could go in the hall, e.g. where SOS one was? | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about number and location of penetrations into SHMS for HV and signal cables | ||
+ | ::* number of penetrations sufficient (checked in 2016), but locations may not be idea | ||
+ | ::* make bore hole into top of SHMS? | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about timeline, plan, decisions for cables | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''DAQ AND ELECTRONICS (Brad)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion timing - NPS experiments get timing from fADC directly | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Available number of fADCs seems ok for NPS experiments | ||
+ | ::* '''Action item''': need info on fADC threshold - should be >= 5mV | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Need to decide on: 1) read everything out (this seems best) or 2) Trigger | ||
+ | ::* Trigger on NPS and read out wave forms - coincidence rates seem manageable (presently can handle 4.5 kHz) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Plan for VTP readout - need to converge, tasks to be done include: | ||
+ | ::* hardware | ||
+ | ::* firmware and DAQ development | ||
+ | ::* require 5 VTPs ($45k) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Rack space in SHMS - all can fit, but need to figure out how to get the cables in | ||
+ | |||
+ | * HV/Slow controls | ||
+ | ::* '''Action item''': add temperature - need info from IPN on how many temperature sensors, channel count | ||
+ | ::* discussion about anode current - perhaps best to estimate from fADC (done that way for prototype, good to factor 2) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Data rates - 20 MB/s is ok, beyond 200 MB/s requires a lot more work | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''TRIGGER AND ELECTRONICS (Alex C.)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * VTP readout good option as less rate limited | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Suggest clustered readout like done for HPS | ||
+ | ::* coincidence data rates seem reasonable | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Test setup plan to install in hall | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''NPS PROTOTYPE (Alex S.)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about experience gained | ||
+ | ::* documentation and procedures available in Wiki | ||
+ | ::* slow controls developed: HV and environment, e.g. temperature - all information is archived | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Ongoing studies to understand observed nonlinearity - divider performance? | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Action item:''' check stability of temperature monitoring and how long it takes to stabilize | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Plans to data additional data in spring - e.g. with fADC dynamic range set to 2 V | ||
+ | ::* Action item: submit ideas for additional tests | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''CONTROLS AND MONITORING (Hovanes)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Used EPICS 1527 | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Time required to write controls depends on which type - detector support group responsibility | ||
+ | ::* can be very fast if build on something existing, and in particular if have hardware/motors etc. | ||
+ | ::* HV controls took ~ 1week | ||
+ | ::* motion controls took longer (~month) | ||
+ | ::* environment required engineering support for sensors | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''HV DIVIDERS AND PMTs (Julie)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * More than half assembled - need to clarify saturation observed with prototype for path forward | ||
+ | ::* anode current limit is 100uA | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Action items:''' | ||
+ | ::* check dividers for lower voltage range (600-700 V) - Alex S. and student might be able to help | ||
+ | ::* check into bypassing amplifier - Fernando has a way to do that and it affects the easy to modify part of the board | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''SIMULATION AND SOFTWARE (Ho-San)''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Basic NPS geometry is ready for any simulation | ||
+ | ::* checked background, magnetic field, dose rates | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Next:''' offline software - can be based on Hall A DVCS software | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''CAEN SOLUTIONS ''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Discussion about best options for NPS | ||
+ | ::* A7030 HV with 36 or 48 channels - 36 might be beneficial due to grouping in frame | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''GLASS SCINTILLATORS''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * New project to produce material with luminescence properties comparable or better than crystals at much reduced cost and easier and faster to manufacture | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Initial tests very promising | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Prototype test planned for fall in Hall D | ||
+ | :: '''Action item:''' provide details on what is needed | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | '''''DISCUSSION ERR AND AGENDA''''' | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Develop agenda based on charge - some items can be grouped | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Design and installation plan is mandatory, also any equipment test plans as needed | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Equipment talks - could be three if group | ||
+ | :: magnet should also include implications for beam line commissioning | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Early radiation levels - complete a prelim radiation form and submit through Hall contact (likely Doug H.) | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Draft charge items 2(d-f) and 7, 8, and 9 require some work | ||
+ | |||
+ | * '''Action items:''' | ||
+ | ::* Make a draft agenda including action items | ||
+ | ::* Draft COO | ||
+ | ::* Draft prelim rad form | ||
+ | ::* OSP magnet and detector | ||
+ | ::* Check in with Chris Cuevas on NPS ERR | ||
+ | ::* Schedule a date for ERR |
Latest revision as of 13:23, 3 February 2019
ACTION ITEMS FOR ERR
- Admin:
- Make a draft agenda including action items
- Draft COO
- Draft prelim rad form
- OSP magnet and detector
- Check in with Chris Cuevas on NPS ERR
- Schedule a date for ERR
SUMMARY NOTES
INTRODUCTION - ACTION ITEMS AND ERR (Tanja)
- For ERR in general need a list of outstanding scope and how/who will address it
- Discussion based on action item 2018 list in slides:
- page 1 items:
- Need an installation plan (Walter, Steve L. and team...)
- demonstrate that design complete and floor layout plan exists
- show what scope of work remains and who will do it
- show that fringe fields under control
- page 2 items:
- cabling - show that there is a plan how cables go on carriage
- page 3 items:
- what to show for software, DAQ, and electronics...
MAGNET UPDATE (Charles)
- Assembly done, ready for power and cooling - in test lab will get to 20% of power due to cooling limitations
- no need to power up before ERR
- plan to power up in summer
- June might be good time as tech teams should have more time then
- need to have estimate of fringe fields for magnet test area
- might want to check modeling magnet with and without base plate (concern is additional magnetic material) - might be ok with 20% energizing
- Mapper is ready for magnet tests
- need to start on safety documentation - J. Beaufait, E. Folts can help
- mapping plan is expected to be developed in first half of February - idea is to run without field and devise plan based on that
- Fringe fields
- show that no impact on beamline magnets - earlier studies showed that no impact, but might want to check again
- for ERR mainly need to show that have a plan
FRAME (Emmanuel)
- Design mostly ready - main question is who will do assembly
- Impact of cross talk in neighboring modules
- Ho-San measured 0.5% of light (from regular showers) goes from one to next crystal - expect same for LED
- Check on vertical clearance for PCB interface box - there may be interference with SHMS water lines
- For PMTs and electronics interface, need to know smallest signal size that still needs to be digitized
- Discussion crystal-PMT attachment and crystal array design
- Assume that silicone cookie will stick to either crystal or PMT when removing PMT
- Crystal array assembly is new - using aveoles (material only at first ~2cm along block, everywhere else along block 0.3mm air between crystals). Just put crystal inside, no compression.
- NOTE: to quantify shower leakage could run simulation and make shower profile with and without gaps
- Survey requirements
- standard is survey to 1mm on fiducial block on outside of frame
- For Hall A DVCS surveyed all block locations. Note that calorimeter was at 1m from target, so mm offset results in 1mrad
- calibration with e-p elastics possible? Need to check if can adjust calorimeter (in x, y, z) for these kinematics - in principle can do that with screw adjustments or shims
CRYSTALS (Vladimir)
- Discussion on crystal quality and tests
- Measured 2%/sqrtE with 3x3 prototype as expected given limitations of instrument - essentially have 8 edge crystals
- For NPS 12x12 prototype tests used temperature sensors (5 probes) attached to corners, front and back of detector
- Action Item: Make a spectrum of photon energy for crystals next to the one hit - should address question about smallest signal digitization - estimate is 2-3% of energy of hit crystal
- Action Item: send 10 crystals to IPN for irradiation test
- Saturation fADC - nominal voltage for linear range is 1100 V for HV divider, but this saturates. In Hall D tests ran with 650 V
- Rates comparable to NPS (250 kHz/channel)
- threshold >2 GeV overall (10-15mV/channel)
- Discussion about overall plan for crystals
- important factor is if SICCAS can sign for 400 crystals with NPS quality - also determines is take back 145 SICCAS crystals from Hall D
- plan to purchase more Crytur crystals - in principle could have ~600 CRYTUR by end of 2020
- different crystal array configurations depending on how many CRYTUR crystals - in general, place SICCAS at edges where only have to catch the shower, and CRYTYUR in regions of higher radiation and where physics is (in center) - as example see Vardan/Hamlet's drawing
MECHANICAL DESIGN (Paulo, Steve L.)
- Discussion about structure tasks and completion status
- Sweeping magnet support positions: now need to move magnet laterally, originally not - engineering design 30-40% complete
- Beam line concept design stage
- Cable routing - need detector design details (see talk by Emmanuel and 11/13/18 meeting and 1/31/19 meeting notes)
- Movement of and mounting of detector
- to move detector from right to left: crane pick up on rail piece with detector bolted to the rail
- overall responsibility of JLab
- information from IPNO on center of gravity and weight would be helpful
- Action item: reinforcements to make detector as stable as possible during movement would be helpful
- Action item: check on angle 22.5 degree requirement that now determines if NPS left of right of SHMS
- what is the limitation?
- previously had 30 degrees - with the smaller angle might need configuration changes within one experiment
- Discussion about what is needed from NPS collaboration?
- nothing yet except information about cables, i.e. cable lengths
- First experiments will have NPS on the right side of SHMS (smaller angles, closer to the beamline)
POWER AND CABLING (Joe)
- Discussion about where power supply could go in the hall, e.g. where SOS one was?
- Discussion about number and location of penetrations into SHMS for HV and signal cables
- number of penetrations sufficient (checked in 2016), but locations may not be idea
- make bore hole into top of SHMS?
- Discussion about timeline, plan, decisions for cables
DAQ AND ELECTRONICS (Brad)
- Discussion timing - NPS experiments get timing from fADC directly
- Available number of fADCs seems ok for NPS experiments
- Action item: need info on fADC threshold - should be >= 5mV
- Need to decide on: 1) read everything out (this seems best) or 2) Trigger
- Trigger on NPS and read out wave forms - coincidence rates seem manageable (presently can handle 4.5 kHz)
- Plan for VTP readout - need to converge, tasks to be done include:
- hardware
- firmware and DAQ development
- require 5 VTPs ($45k)
- Rack space in SHMS - all can fit, but need to figure out how to get the cables in
- HV/Slow controls
- Action item: add temperature - need info from IPN on how many temperature sensors, channel count
- discussion about anode current - perhaps best to estimate from fADC (done that way for prototype, good to factor 2)
- Data rates - 20 MB/s is ok, beyond 200 MB/s requires a lot more work
TRIGGER AND ELECTRONICS (Alex C.)
- VTP readout good option as less rate limited
- Suggest clustered readout like done for HPS
- coincidence data rates seem reasonable
- Test setup plan to install in hall
NPS PROTOTYPE (Alex S.)
- Discussion about experience gained
- documentation and procedures available in Wiki
- slow controls developed: HV and environment, e.g. temperature - all information is archived
- Ongoing studies to understand observed nonlinearity - divider performance?
- Action item: check stability of temperature monitoring and how long it takes to stabilize
- Plans to data additional data in spring - e.g. with fADC dynamic range set to 2 V
- Action item: submit ideas for additional tests
CONTROLS AND MONITORING (Hovanes)
- Used EPICS 1527
- Time required to write controls depends on which type - detector support group responsibility
- can be very fast if build on something existing, and in particular if have hardware/motors etc.
- HV controls took ~ 1week
- motion controls took longer (~month)
- environment required engineering support for sensors
HV DIVIDERS AND PMTs (Julie)
- More than half assembled - need to clarify saturation observed with prototype for path forward
- anode current limit is 100uA
- Action items:
- check dividers for lower voltage range (600-700 V) - Alex S. and student might be able to help
- check into bypassing amplifier - Fernando has a way to do that and it affects the easy to modify part of the board
SIMULATION AND SOFTWARE (Ho-San)
- Basic NPS geometry is ready for any simulation
- checked background, magnetic field, dose rates
- Next: offline software - can be based on Hall A DVCS software
CAEN SOLUTIONS
- Discussion about best options for NPS
- A7030 HV with 36 or 48 channels - 36 might be beneficial due to grouping in frame
GLASS SCINTILLATORS
- New project to produce material with luminescence properties comparable or better than crystals at much reduced cost and easier and faster to manufacture
- Initial tests very promising
- Prototype test planned for fall in Hall D
- Action item: provide details on what is needed
DISCUSSION ERR AND AGENDA
- Develop agenda based on charge - some items can be grouped
- Design and installation plan is mandatory, also any equipment test plans as needed
- Equipment talks - could be three if group
- magnet should also include implications for beam line commissioning
- Early radiation levels - complete a prelim radiation form and submit through Hall contact (likely Doug H.)
- Draft charge items 2(d-f) and 7, 8, and 9 require some work
- Action items:
- Make a draft agenda including action items
- Draft COO
- Draft prelim rad form
- OSP magnet and detector
- Check in with Chris Cuevas on NPS ERR
- Schedule a date for ERR