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EEEMCAL IN DETECTOR PROPOSALS
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'''EEEMCAL IN DETECTOR PROPOSALS'''
  
'''ATHENA:'''
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* Detector looks similar in all three proposals
z = 195cm
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:* differences in size and number of PWO vs. Glass
R_in = 11 cm (eta ~ -3.5) = R_min_PWO
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:* there may be differences in attachment - ATHENA and ECCE assume mounting on universal frame; CORE has been assuming mounting to endcap HCAL frame, but recently moved away from it - CORE more sensitive to impact of non-sensitive material regions
R_max_PWO = 53cm (eta ~2) = R_min_Glass
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R_max_total = 100 cm (eta ~ 1.4) = R_max_Glass
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Modules PWO = ~ 2200 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
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* '''ATHENA:'''
Modules Glass = ~ 1400 (4 x 4 x 40 cm3)
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Total weight: ~ 2400 kg
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If assume all PWO for this volume: 7600 PWO modules
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:* z = 195cm
Weight ~ 7000 kg
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:* R_in = 11 cm (eta ~ -3.5) = R_min_PWO
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:* R_max_PWO = 53cm (eta ~2) = R_min_Glass
 +
:* R_max_total = 100 cm (eta ~ 1.4) = R_max_Glass
  
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:* Modules PWO = ~ 2200 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
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:* Modules Glass = ~ 1400 (4 x 4 x 40 cm3)
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::* Total weight: ~ 2400 kg
  
'''ECCE:'''
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:* If assume all PWO for this volume: 7600 PWO modules
z = 190 cm
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::* Weight ~ 7000 kg
R_min = 11cm (eta ~3.5) = R_min_PWO
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R_max_PWO = 49cm (eta ~2) = R_min_Glass
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R_max_total = 57 cm (eta ~1.9) = R_max_Glass
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Modules PWO = 1680 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
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* '''ECCE:'''
Modules Glass = 160 (4 x 4 x 40 cm3)
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Total weight: ~1500 kg
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If assume all PWO for this volume: 2960 PWO modules
+
:* z = 190 cm
Total weight ~ 2000kg
+
:* R_min = 11cm (eta ~3.5) = R_min_PWO
 +
:* R_max_PWO = 49cm (eta ~2) = R_min_Glass
 +
:* R_max_total = 57 cm (eta ~1.9) = R_max_Glass
  
 +
:* Modules PWO = 1680 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
 +
:* Modules Glass = 160 (4 x 4 x 40 cm3)
 +
::* Total weight: ~1500 kg
  
'''CORE'''
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:* If assume all PWO for this volume: 2960 PWO modules
 +
::* Total weight ~ 2000kg
  
z
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* '''CORE'''
R_min
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R_max
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Attach to universal frame, thickness of frame - more sensitive to dead material
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:* z = 110cm
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:* R_min=8.5cm
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:* R_max=47cm
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:* Modules PWO = 1412 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
 +
::* Total weight ~ 1000kg
  
  
 
'''SIMULATIONS'''
 
'''SIMULATIONS'''
  
Tolerance material in front of EMCal - ongoing studies
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* Tolerance material in front of EMCal - ongoing studies
  
e/pi studies ongoing
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* e/pi studies ongoing
::* ECCE produced some simulation data samples that are used for these studies
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:* ECCE produced some simulation data samples that are used for these studies
  
implementations - both are implemented in
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* implementations - completed
::* barrel SciGlass (Nathaly)
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:* barrel SciGlass (Nathaly)
::* EEEMCAL Fun4All (Carlos)
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:* EEEMCAL Fun4All (Carlos)
::* EEEMCAL DD4HEP (Vladimir/Dmitry)
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:* EEEMCAL DD4HEP (Vladimir/Dmitry)
  
 
* ATHENA simulation campaign planned for August
 
* ATHENA simulation campaign planned for August
::* Will include hybrid EEEMCal
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:* Will include hybrid EEEMCal
 
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* ECCE simulation campaign 21 June uses PWO only EEEMcal and sphenix barrel EMCal - does not yet have EEEMcal hybrid or SciGlass barrel
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::* hybrid EEEMCal and Sciglass barrel will be in next ECCE simulation campaign
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 +
* ECCE simulation campaign 21 June uses PWO only EEEMcal and sphenix barrel EMCal(?) - does not yet have EEEMcal hybrid or SciGlass barrel
 +
:* hybrid EEEMCal and Sciglass barrel will be in next ECCE simulation campaign
  
 
'''DESIGN EEEMCAL'''
 
'''DESIGN EEEMCAL'''
  
Initial design prepared
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* Initial design prepared
  
Cooling would be water cooling around circumference plus possible mechanical cooling from the back
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* Cooling would be water cooling around circumference plus possible mechanical cooling from the back
::* must also take into account cabling from back
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:* must also take into account cabling from back
  
Beam pipe  
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* Beam pipe characteristics around the detector - diameter etc.
  
Main questions:
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* Main questions:
::* beam pipe
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:* beam pipe
::* support limitations at universal frame
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:* support limitations at universal frame
::* thickness of outer and inner radius
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:* thickness of outer and inner radius
  
Action items:
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* Action items:
 
::* prepare summary of questions
 
::* prepare summary of questions
 
::* discussion with EIC PM
 
::* discussion with EIC PM
 
  
 
'''PWO+SIPM DETECTOR UPDATE'''  
 
'''PWO+SIPM DETECTOR UPDATE'''  
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* Action item:  
 
* Action item:  
::* prepare list of services needed for discussion with HallD electrical engineer
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:* prepare list of services needed for discussion with HallD electrical engineer
 
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'''BEAM TESTS 2021'''
 
'''BEAM TESTS 2021'''
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* If planning to participate please contact:
 
* If planning to participate please contact:
::* For DESY tests: Douglas Hasell
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:* For DESY tests: Douglas Hasell
::* For JLAB tests: Tanja Horn
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:* For JLAB tests: Tanja Horn
  
  
 
'''NEXT MEETING: MONDAY 26 JULY 2021 AT 8:30AM ET'''
 
'''NEXT MEETING: MONDAY 26 JULY 2021 AT 8:30AM ET'''

Latest revision as of 08:50, 14 July 2021

PARTICIPANTS: Bruno Jorion, Carlos, Irina, Miroslav, Nathaly, Pete, Renee, Crytur-CZ, Douglas, Hamlet, Hrachya, Julien Bettane, Rosi, Vardan, Vladimir, Tanja, Joerg, Lei, Sasha


EEEMCAL IN DETECTOR PROPOSALS

  • Detector looks similar in all three proposals
  • differences in size and number of PWO vs. Glass
  • there may be differences in attachment - ATHENA and ECCE assume mounting on universal frame; CORE has been assuming mounting to endcap HCAL frame, but recently moved away from it - CORE more sensitive to impact of non-sensitive material regions
  • ATHENA:
  • z = 195cm
  • R_in = 11 cm (eta ~ -3.5) = R_min_PWO
  • R_max_PWO = 53cm (eta ~2) = R_min_Glass
  • R_max_total = 100 cm (eta ~ 1.4) = R_max_Glass
  • Modules PWO = ~ 2200 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
  • Modules Glass = ~ 1400 (4 x 4 x 40 cm3)
  • Total weight: ~ 2400 kg
  • If assume all PWO for this volume: 7600 PWO modules
  • Weight ~ 7000 kg
  • ECCE:
  • z = 190 cm
  • R_min = 11cm (eta ~3.5) = R_min_PWO
  • R_max_PWO = 49cm (eta ~2) = R_min_Glass
  • R_max_total = 57 cm (eta ~1.9) = R_max_Glass
  • Modules PWO = 1680 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
  • Modules Glass = 160 (4 x 4 x 40 cm3)
  • Total weight: ~1500 kg
  • If assume all PWO for this volume: 2960 PWO modules
  • Total weight ~ 2000kg
  • CORE
  • z = 110cm
  • R_min=8.5cm
  • R_max=47cm
  • Modules PWO = 1412 (2 x 2 x 20 cm3)
  • Total weight ~ 1000kg


SIMULATIONS

  • Tolerance material in front of EMCal - ongoing studies
  • e/pi studies ongoing
  • ECCE produced some simulation data samples that are used for these studies
  • implementations - completed
  • barrel SciGlass (Nathaly)
  • EEEMCAL Fun4All (Carlos)
  • EEEMCAL DD4HEP (Vladimir/Dmitry)
  • ATHENA simulation campaign planned for August
  • Will include hybrid EEEMCal
  • ECCE simulation campaign 21 June uses PWO only EEEMcal and sphenix barrel EMCal(?) - does not yet have EEEMcal hybrid or SciGlass barrel
  • hybrid EEEMCal and Sciglass barrel will be in next ECCE simulation campaign

DESIGN EEEMCAL

  • Initial design prepared
  • Cooling would be water cooling around circumference plus possible mechanical cooling from the back
  • must also take into account cabling from back
  • Beam pipe characteristics around the detector - diameter etc.
  • Main questions:
  • beam pipe
  • support limitations at universal frame
  • thickness of outer and inner radius
  • Action items:
  • prepare summary of questions
  • discussion with EIC PM

PWO+SIPM DETECTOR UPDATE

  • Found a way to include 16 SiPM per crystal
  • Discussion about services and integration for beam test
  • Action item:
  • prepare list of services needed for discussion with HallD electrical engineer

BEAM TESTS 2021

  • If planning to participate please contact:
  • For DESY tests: Douglas Hasell
  • For JLAB tests: Tanja Horn


NEXT MEETING: MONDAY 26 JULY 2021 AT 8:30AM ET