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== Comments and Questions == | == Comments and Questions == | ||
− | Questions: | + | * (Add content here) |
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− | * | + | == Minutes/Notes (D.S. Carman and J. Stevens) == |
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− | * | + | Local participants at JLab: 12; |
− | * | + | Remote participants: 42 |
− | * Volker | + | |
+ | * This presentation laid out the motivation from a theoretical viewpoint for studying the spectroscopy of the so-called X, Y, and Z mesons that have changed the c-cbar spectroscopy landscape in recent years. It also provided some predictions based on an available VMD model to set the cross section scale for these states vs. center-of-mass energy. Note that the next discussion in the 22-GeV series on Sep. 23 will be a continuation of this topic by Sean Dobbs with the focus on experimental considerations of such a program at JLab22. | ||
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+ | *Presentation points: | ||
+ | ** Evidence for a host of candidate states have been claimed in various recent experiments that has (potentially) changed the c-cbar landscape. These states are candidates for tetraquark and other exotic configurations. | ||
+ | ** The candidate states have mainly been seen decaying into charmonium+light meson final states (e.g. J/Ψ + π). | ||
+ | ** Theoretical interpretations with different production mechanisms do not, as yet, provide strong consistency. | ||
+ | ** The current situation opens the door for a new spectroscopy program at JLab22 based on (quasi-real) photoproduction experiments. | ||
+ | *** No X, Y, Z state claim has yet been free of controversy (it’s all new) – see e.g. the low-statistics measurements at COMPASS. | ||
+ | *** They decay final states are free from rescattering mechanisms that could mimic resonances in multi-body decays. | ||
+ | *** The framework for describing the production mechanism is (relatively) clean from a theory standpoint. | ||
+ | *** Radiative decays offer another way of discerning the nature of such states. | ||
+ | *** If such states can be seen in photoproduction, it is natural to then consider measurements of transition form factors as a function of Q<sup>2</sup> to probe the structure of these, possibly exotic, states. | ||
+ | ** Sophisticated theoretical models are not yet available, but a vector meson dominance (VMD) approach has been used to date to make predictions for the cross sections for the production of the X, Y, Z states. The VMD models have limitations and cross checks to available data for non-exotic cc ̅ processes will be important moving forward. However, the predicted cross sections are even larger than those that we have already measured for J/Ψ in Halls B and D. | ||
+ | ** A possible experimental program at JLab22 could focus on X and Z production, which is more favorable in JLab22 kinematics. The measurement of Y states is likely better done at the higher energies at EIC. | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Questions from discussion: | ||
+ | ** Are there calculations for production cross sections from a neutron (deuteron) target? | ||
+ | *** Yes and they can be made available. | ||
+ | ** To further the discussion of carrying out such a program at JLab22, the el-spectro (https://github.com/dglazier/elSpectro) event generator is being developed by Derek Glazier and has been used in Hall D for preliminary Monte Carlo studies with GlueX and EIC. | ||
+ | ** It is important to be able to predict the cross sections for both the resonant processes that lead to X, Y, Z production relative to the non-resonant processes in the same final state to see how well the signal can be separated from the background. | ||
+ | *** Adam Szczepaniak stated that there is a phenomenological model based on a double-Regge approach that may provide a reasonable estimate and there are plans to work on this. | ||
+ | ** How critical is an independent production mechanism compared to e+e- production? | ||
+ | ** Volker Burkert mentioned a study that he worked on with Derek Glazier for the Messina 22 GeV meeting that considered processes where the scattered electron was detected at very small angles (a forward-tagging facility) to be able to isolate these type of processes and access their kinematics. | ||
+ | ** Stay tuned for Sean Dobbs’ upcoming presentation to gain more insight into some of the ongoing considerations for designing an experimental X, Y, Z program at JLab22. |
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Meeting Location
The 22 GeV Open Discussions will be held here:
- Date/Time: Monday, September 9 at 12:30 PM Jefferson Lab Local Time
- Physical Location: CEBAF Center F224/5
- Virtual Location: Zoom Meeting Number 161 111 8017 (The password is the two-digit number that appears before "GeV" in the first sentence of this section.)
Agenda
- Opportunities for XYZ spectroscopy at JLab22 (Alessandro Pilloni)
Comments and Questions
- (Add content here)
Minutes/Notes (D.S. Carman and J. Stevens)
Local participants at JLab: 12; Remote participants: 42
- This presentation laid out the motivation from a theoretical viewpoint for studying the spectroscopy of the so-called X, Y, and Z mesons that have changed the c-cbar spectroscopy landscape in recent years. It also provided some predictions based on an available VMD model to set the cross section scale for these states vs. center-of-mass energy. Note that the next discussion in the 22-GeV series on Sep. 23 will be a continuation of this topic by Sean Dobbs with the focus on experimental considerations of such a program at JLab22.
- Presentation points:
- Evidence for a host of candidate states have been claimed in various recent experiments that has (potentially) changed the c-cbar landscape. These states are candidates for tetraquark and other exotic configurations.
- The candidate states have mainly been seen decaying into charmonium+light meson final states (e.g. J/Ψ + π).
- Theoretical interpretations with different production mechanisms do not, as yet, provide strong consistency.
- The current situation opens the door for a new spectroscopy program at JLab22 based on (quasi-real) photoproduction experiments.
- No X, Y, Z state claim has yet been free of controversy (it’s all new) – see e.g. the low-statistics measurements at COMPASS.
- They decay final states are free from rescattering mechanisms that could mimic resonances in multi-body decays.
- The framework for describing the production mechanism is (relatively) clean from a theory standpoint.
- Radiative decays offer another way of discerning the nature of such states.
- If such states can be seen in photoproduction, it is natural to then consider measurements of transition form factors as a function of Q2 to probe the structure of these, possibly exotic, states.
- Sophisticated theoretical models are not yet available, but a vector meson dominance (VMD) approach has been used to date to make predictions for the cross sections for the production of the X, Y, Z states. The VMD models have limitations and cross checks to available data for non-exotic cc ̅ processes will be important moving forward. However, the predicted cross sections are even larger than those that we have already measured for J/Ψ in Halls B and D.
- A possible experimental program at JLab22 could focus on X and Z production, which is more favorable in JLab22 kinematics. The measurement of Y states is likely better done at the higher energies at EIC.
- Questions from discussion:
- Are there calculations for production cross sections from a neutron (deuteron) target?
- Yes and they can be made available.
- To further the discussion of carrying out such a program at JLab22, the el-spectro (https://github.com/dglazier/elSpectro) event generator is being developed by Derek Glazier and has been used in Hall D for preliminary Monte Carlo studies with GlueX and EIC.
- It is important to be able to predict the cross sections for both the resonant processes that lead to X, Y, Z production relative to the non-resonant processes in the same final state to see how well the signal can be separated from the background.
- Adam Szczepaniak stated that there is a phenomenological model based on a double-Regge approach that may provide a reasonable estimate and there are plans to work on this.
- How critical is an independent production mechanism compared to e+e- production?
- Volker Burkert mentioned a study that he worked on with Derek Glazier for the Messina 22 GeV meeting that considered processes where the scattered electron was detected at very small angles (a forward-tagging facility) to be able to isolate these type of processes and access their kinematics.
- Stay tuned for Sean Dobbs’ upcoming presentation to gain more insight into some of the ongoing considerations for designing an experimental X, Y, Z program at JLab22.
- Are there calculations for production cross sections from a neutron (deuteron) target?