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== Minutes/Notes (D.S. Carman) ==
 
== Minutes/Notes (D.S. Carman) ==
  
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Remote participants: 33
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* This presentation continued the discussion on studies of spectroscopy of the so-called X, Y, and Z mesons that was started by Alessandro Pilloni at the Sep. 9 22 GeV discussion with a focus on theory status. Today’s discussion centered instead on experimental considerations of such a program at JLab22.
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* Presentation points:
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** Review of status:
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*** Overview of the c-<span style="text-decoration:overline">c</span> (charmonium) spectrum augmented with the experimental evidence for the X, Y, and Z states.
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*** Photoproduction experiments can have an impact on these studies to confirm states purported to have a non-q-<span style="text-decoration:overline">q</span> nature.
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*** The most relevant modes for initial exploration at JLab22 would focus on X, Z decays to J/&Psi;+&pi;, J/&Psi;+&pi;&pi; (these would be the “discovery” modes).
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*** Studies of &gamma;p &rarr; c-<span style="text-decoration:overline">c</span> are optimal using detectors with large acceptance - Hall B and Hall D at JLab.
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** Simulations are underway by Sean to study X and Z production in Hall D with GlueX:
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*** Simulations have been done in the GlueX-II configuration based on the 2020 GlueX configuration without the DIRC, TRD, new high resolution FCAL.
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*** Note that GlueX-III is approved to run at two times the luminosity of GlueX-II.
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*** Studies have focused on &gamma;p &rarr; J/&Psi;+&pi;+&pi;- running for 1 year, assuming a total cross section of 500 pb-1 with a BR of 5%.
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**** Expected yields: N(&Psi;(2S))=900, N(X(3872))=2300, N(Y(4260))=120
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*** Another study has been done for &gamma;p &rarr; J/&Psi;+&pi;p to study both charged and neutral Zc states.
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** Simulations are underway by Derek Glazier to study X and Z production in Hall B with CLAS12:
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*** The baseline version of CLAS12 has been assumed augmented with a zero degree photon tagger (mentioned by Volker Burkert in the last discussion) to enable studies of quasi-real photoproduction (at tagging angles below 1 deg).
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*** The studies have assumed a luminosity of 1035 cm-2s-1 and 50 days of running.
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**** Expected yields: N(X(3872))=2-3k, N(Zc(3900))=25k
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** Work has begun to estimate backgrounds from existing measurements, specifically from data taken at COMPASS on &pi;±N but more work is needed to make these studies realistic.
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* Questions from discussion:
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** What about measuring open charm decays given the increased backgrounds that are to be expected?
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** What about measuring polarization observables?
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** What about establishing strange quark partners of states, e.g. Zc &rarr; &pi;J/&Psi;, Zcs &rarr; KJ/&Psi;?
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** What about radiative decays of X(3872)?
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*** Can this be estimated? Are such studies useful?
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*** How do backgrounds affect this channel?
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** The main comment from the discussion is that realistic backgrounds must be included in the different simulations to enable more realistic modeling and impact statements to be made.
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*** Can such studies be advanced for the upcoming December 22 GeV workshop?

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Minutes/Notes (D.S. Carman)

Local participants at JLab: 13; Remote participants: 33

  • This presentation continued the discussion on studies of spectroscopy of the so-called X, Y, and Z mesons that was started by Alessandro Pilloni at the Sep. 9 22 GeV discussion with a focus on theory status. Today’s discussion centered instead on experimental considerations of such a program at JLab22.
  • Presentation points:
    • Review of status:
      • Overview of the c-c (charmonium) spectrum augmented with the experimental evidence for the X, Y, and Z states.
      • Photoproduction experiments can have an impact on these studies to confirm states purported to have a non-q-q nature.
      • The most relevant modes for initial exploration at JLab22 would focus on X, Z decays to J/Ψ+π, J/Ψ+ππ (these would be the “discovery” modes).
      • Studies of γp → c-c are optimal using detectors with large acceptance - Hall B and Hall D at JLab.
    • Simulations are underway by Sean to study X and Z production in Hall D with GlueX:
      • Simulations have been done in the GlueX-II configuration based on the 2020 GlueX configuration without the DIRC, TRD, new high resolution FCAL.
      • Note that GlueX-III is approved to run at two times the luminosity of GlueX-II.
      • Studies have focused on γp → J/Ψ+π+π- running for 1 year, assuming a total cross section of 500 pb-1 with a BR of 5%.
        • Expected yields: N(Ψ(2S))=900, N(X(3872))=2300, N(Y(4260))=120
      • Another study has been done for γp → J/Ψ+πp to study both charged and neutral Zc states.
    • Simulations are underway by Derek Glazier to study X and Z production in Hall B with CLAS12:
      • The baseline version of CLAS12 has been assumed augmented with a zero degree photon tagger (mentioned by Volker Burkert in the last discussion) to enable studies of quasi-real photoproduction (at tagging angles below 1 deg).
      • The studies have assumed a luminosity of 1035 cm-2s-1 and 50 days of running.
        • Expected yields: N(X(3872))=2-3k, N(Zc(3900))=25k
    • Work has begun to estimate backgrounds from existing measurements, specifically from data taken at COMPASS on π±N but more work is needed to make these studies realistic.
  • Questions from discussion:
    • What about measuring open charm decays given the increased backgrounds that are to be expected?
    • What about measuring polarization observables?
    • What about establishing strange quark partners of states, e.g. Zc → πJ/Ψ, Zcs → KJ/Ψ?
    • What about radiative decays of X(3872)?
      • Can this be estimated? Are such studies useful?
      • How do backgrounds affect this channel?
    • The main comment from the discussion is that realistic backgrounds must be included in the different simulations to enable more realistic modeling and impact statements to be made.
      • Can such studies be advanced for the upcoming December 22 GeV workshop?